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    November 3, 2013
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# t# # kelly file. thanks for >> today health insurance reform becomes law in the united states of america. >> the affordable care act was touted to be his greatest legislative achievement. it is nothing short of a disaster. according to a report only six people signed up for obama care on day one. >> it wasn't working effectively on october 1st. i think that is a dog bites man story. >> with this new change with insurance, possibly going the way it is going to go and the medical changes the way it is going to go. >> week long series on the missed obama care warning signs continues. >> i don't know if i would be talking to you right now. >> "hannity" starts right here and right now. >> for the entire hour we will be joined by a studio audience
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from both sides of the aisle to debate the disastrous healthcare overha overhaul. you will hear from real people with real cancellation letters. the house over site committee revealed on day one of the obama care exchanges only six americans, only six people signed up for it and that's not the only embarrassing part. it's a pathetic part of it. we bring in our studio audience. good to see everybody. is there one liberal here? i am just looking for one, that will admit that the american people were lied to? if you like your plan, doug show them. >> didn't tell the truth about it and it is clear we got to figure out why and what we do about it. but we have to make the law work. we can't just trash obama. >> it's the law of the land. >> slavery was the law of the land, too, but we overturned those. >> you admit we were lied to?
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>> clear. >> if you like your plan you can keep your plan. >> the average family per family per savings per year $2,500. a lie? >> yeah. >> $900 billion cost? lie? >> clearly not the case. >> the web site will be user friendly. >> give them until the end of november to see if it becomes. >> you said that the day before they rolled it out. >> are you going to shock me tonight? >> i am going to shock you. i am going to say 3 percent of the americans were lied to. that's the number we are talking about. i am going to ask if there are any conservatives in this room that will add milt conservatives have been lying about obama care for three years. >> what are you talking about? >> you don't have to answer that question. from here let me tell you why what you said is false. i am going to go to page 34,552. i almost sound like betsy mccoy.
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she has the whole healthcare plan here. the register of our federal government predicted back in july of 2010 that 66 percent of all small employer plans will go away. that means you can't keep your small employer. 45 percent of large employer plans will go away and we now know about 16 of the 19 million individual plans will go away. forbes magazine did the math that's 93 million americans. am i right, betsy? >> don't forget to mad the m ad many seniors medicare advantage plans who received letters this month telling them their losing doctor because of the obama care cuts the medicare advantage plans are dropping the specialists that the seriously ill patients depend on. >> i have a small business i lost my plan. they gave me five options to look at. all five are worse than the option i had before that. the most comparable one is a 48 percent increase. i called the insurance company
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to see what they had to say about it she said they have been getting calls left and right. she said we can go into the obama care web site to try it out. of course i tried couldn't get through. that's another employee for me that's iffing taken away. ult ply that by millions of companies it is killing the economy. >> 93 million and they knew in july of 2010. first of all, i know you, i know your daughter. if your daughter lied to you, how much trouble is she going to be in? >> she would be in a lot of trouble. i won't say this is a lie. this is a new law that is being implemented. it is going to be flaws. >> they sthe president said in september if you like your plan you can keep your plan. they knew in july according that their documents it wasn't true. i didn't make these documents. >> there's always something you need have flaws. >> the president is not a
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healthcare expert. he said what he said because that's what he was told. if the plan distinguished, clearly it does, it is incumbent upon democrats to work with dem watts -- democrats to make this work. >> this president doesn't know a lot of things. i read it in the paper about fast and furious. i had no idea about miraclerkel. had no idea. >> the biggest lie about this thing it is not going to work, it's not going to pay for its f itself. they said they could do it for $1 trillion. that takes 750 billion out of medicare. at the end of the day there will not be sufficient doctors, not be sufficient money and it financially cannot make it. >> that is a reality. we will get deep into that. noel, why are so few people on the left -- i have argued with james car vel, bob beckel this week, a lot of liberals here.
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rick unger will be arguing with me before the end of the show. why do they accept the fact that this was predicated on a huge lie and they don't admit it? >> i think a lot of people are banking on helping obama create and protect his legacy. i think a lot of this, you remember the shut down. this was over defund obama care. they wouldn't budge. now look. look at this unravelling and look what they have been defending and protecting is a big epic failure. >> i am a liberal. i have no interest. with all due respect to protecting the president's legacy at all. what i have an interest in is doing right by the american people. i believe the president made a presumption people would not want just policy. >> you are putting words in his -- hang on a he could is. one at a time. you are putting words in the president's mouth. what part of do you like your plan you can keep your plan
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period. >> in all fairness -- (inaudible). he should have said the whole statement. if your current healthcare policy meets the new higher standard of healthcare in this country you can keep it. if it doesn't it is junk and it will be trashed. >> jay carney said today, if you like your plan but it's a crummy plan you can't keep your plan. everyone is making excuses. >> first of all this idea that you are saying people's plans are crummy is patronizing. second of all thfdz a lie barack obama and democrats sold to the american people. they knew if they sold it to them they would lose their health insurance it would be replaced by a plan they were doubling or crippling it wouldn't have passed. if they told the truth it would have never happened. >> that's key. kirsten. >> the reason why we were sold this is because for a lot of people in the obama administration and democrats believed the end justified the
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means. so their means are good. they have good intentions. yes, we need a better healthcare system in this country. i am a conservative. i believe that. we need healthcare reform. we need insurance reform coupled with tort reform. people are afraid of change. >> senator, you have lived this life. >> let me tell you, i have lived it, and i afused it as well. this is one of the great abuses. it dem crates the old cliche, power corrupts. absolute power is the worst. i have seen it with republicans. we never quite had absolute power because we couldn't stop the filibuster in the senate. they had absolute power, they didn't give a darn, they weren't willing to listen and they adopted a plan that unfortunately is doomed for failure. i say unfortunately.
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you cannot -- you have heard the story, catch me if you can. you have seen that? you think you are going to catchall of these young, healthy people and make them sign up and pay more money for what? not for themselves but because they are going to be part of the greater pool. that's what they call the death spiral as it relates to insurance. ya'll got to change this plan significantly. the other thing is, you will bring in some jack ass company, you got great organizations, you got microsoft. >> apple. >> you got google. you have the people for facebook. bring them in and set up the platform. don't bring in your cronies. i won't go into whose krohn k k knee /* cronies that is. you have to bring in the experts not tied to politics. number two, you should have brought in the actuaries the
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insurance people and should have been willing to listen and should have been willing to compromise. now we have this incredible failure and you cannot make -- you think you are going to get young people paying more money? for what? you think you have enough irs agents to cratrack them down? >> you can respond to the young person question that i can't. i love how the president now says we are going to bring in the best and brightest to fix it. why don't we bring the best and brightest to start it? we will take a break much more from the studio audience tonight. first coming up on "hannity"." >> with this new change with insurance going the way it is going to go with the medical field changing the way it is going to go i would be scared to be in the shoes i was in fighting cancer 7 years ago. very scared. >> our week long series continues with two real americans dealing with obama care.
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her story was shared back in 2009. how the implication will impact her family. another alarming number about the obama care and the great concern it is causing. you don't want to miss that. you will hear from real americans, real cancellations, real rate shocks all straight ahead. when our little girlas born, we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye!
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>> welcome back to "hannity." we are continuing our week lonned ser-- long series "you w warned." we have the dangers of what would happen if the law in fact was implemented. my next guest shared her story with a universal nightmare story we had in 2009 about her fight against cancer and her concerns about what could have happened
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if the changes in health insurance were in place when she was in fact diagnosed. take a look. >> i was diagnosed with cancer, had surgery by a gynecologic oncologist. after the surgery he said it is much worse than we thought. you have no more than six weeks to live. don't even try chemo you will die from the treatment of chemo. it won't even touch the cancer and that was it. >> she didn't accept that answer. she went to md anderson cancer center in houston for a second opinion. >> if she did not have that second opinion she wouldn't be able to participate in these interviews. oo if i was living in a country where you didn't have a choice to go to a specialist here i am today 7 years getting ready for 8 years this month. >> 8 years mean seeing her children grow up and the birth of her grandchildren. >> with this new change of insurance possibly going the way
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it is going to go and the medical field the way it is going to go i would be scared to be in the shoes i was in when i was fighting cancer 7 years ago, very scared. i don't know if i would be talking to you right now. >> joining my the women you just heard from katherine hail and also in our studio audience is natalie willis who received notice her plan would be terminated and all of her new options would be more expensive and provide less coverage. thank you for being with us. thank you. >> katherine, i guess six weeks now has turned into 12 years, you are doing well? >> praise the lord, i am. >> where are you now? obama care you were one of the people speaking out very early on. you were on our universal nightmare special we had. where is your plan now? where are you with healthcare now? >> i have my own name. so-called no brainer fair
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healthcare. we are able to compare apples to apples. my husband is still employed with the same small company. we are on the other side of 50. but no major changes in our lives. but our insurance life has changed. the good coverage wurpable -- were able to have is no longer available. there is a lesser tier of coverage available at a higher cost. the out of pocket is much higher. it is so high for some people that they are offering a gap coverage in 15 and 30,000 dollar increments so if you do become ill, have a heart attack, have a stroke you are not going to dip into your savings or lose your car or your home or tell your kids they can't go to college. >> what about you with your preexisting condition and the fact that you had had cancer? >> life insurance is not an
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option. and as far as my care, i follow up care i receive at md anderson it will cost a lot more money. >> are you with the same employer? >> yeah t. we are able to compare apples to apples because employment situations are still the same. >> you are being offered less coverage increased premium increased deductible. how do you know this is directly related to obama care? is that the reason they are giving you occasionalhio fissi-. >> we have a nice pamphlet from the insurance company it doesn't directly say it but they don't have to. it does say the law man dates. there are little innuendos in there. go ahead. >> no, no. >> the other sad part about this
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change is we have no freedom. it is supposed to be fair insurance for everybody and that would be great if that could happen but this is not the way to do it. we are also forcing catholics and other christians to pay for abortion and medicines in birth control that is against their religion. >> we had a court decision in that in skd distri-- second dis court in dc. >> natalie, how are you? married 29 years old. >> yes. >> you have a web site baby sleep trainer.com. where were you when i had my two kids? >> i don't know. how old are they? >> do you train 14-year-olds to go to sleep? you will you will make a lot of money fast. that's pretty cool. i bet business is booming? >> i can't complain. doing pretty well. >> talk about healthcare issues. >> i have always carried my own
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health insurance plan. it is very important i be insured when my husband left law school i had to get my own plan i found an insurer after i had been denied for some preexisting condition. i was accepted by my insurer. i carried a great plan. after i had my son i decided to step down and take the catastrophic plan so this plan had a $1,500 deductible and a 30,000 out of pocket maximum. i love my plan. didn't go on my husband's plan. great plan. so now all of the plans my insurer carries are canceled and have other plans. if i want the same premium i am paying now i will be doubling or tripling my deductible and doubling my out of pocket maximum. if i want to keep some sort of equivalent coverage i will be paying 40 percent more. there isn't equivalent coverage
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with my insurer, so i am looking at either having to take something from the exchange. >> you have been on healthcare.gov. we have been trying for four weeks. >> for the california plan is okay. -- exchange is okay. doesn't work super great with my browser. it is okay. there are 30 pns available six different providers. i have gone and looked at each one individually checked what it would cover what hospitals i could go to but there's nothing that is the same. either way i will get way less care for the same amount of money or i have to pay more. >> i hope rick unger is paying attention in the background. i am going to beat him up about your case. you are 29 years old your husband works hard to become a lawyer. you built a great business. you are responsible. you want your own care. you want to keep your plan. you like your plan? it's not a crummy plan. >> if i wanted a plan that
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covered more i would have gotten a plan that covered more. >> what do you think about the president of the united states when he lied to you? >> i like to think the best about people. maybe he was misinformed and didn't read obama care. >> what's worse lying or not reading it? >> it's really long. >> what would be worse? not reading it or lying about it? if that's the two options. >> lying is worse. that's probably why i am giving him the benefit of the doubt. >> you are going with the option he didn't read it. >> i think earlier someone wants the ends justified the means that's probably what happened. i would agree. i am sure he knew we are going to do this anyway. >> hope you liberals are paying attention. >> interstate insurance purchases to provide greater options. >> you want to fix something that is so broken, so dilapidated. >> we want what's best for the american people.
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that's what we all want. >> also i want to thank katherine as well. thank you for being with us. up next another troubling number about the issue of obama care and we are going to turn things over this anxious studio auns for the remainder of the program to talk about canceled plans and higher premiums. what does it mean for you as this special edition of "hannity" continues. i've got a big date, but my sinuses are acting up. it's time for advil cold and sinus. [ male announcer ] truth is that won't relieve all your symptoms. new alka seltzer plus-d relieves more sinus symptoms than any other behind the counter liquid gel. oh what a relief it is. gives you a long-lasting fresh breath feeling. so you have the courage to jump in... go in for the hug... or make sparks fly. for a fresh breath feeling that lasts up to 5x longer, get scope outlast.
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welcome back to this sdi >> earlier in the program we told you about the down right embarrassing number of enrollees on day one of the obama carolout. that's the no the only thing troubling in terms of the numbers we are learning about today. the "washington post" said quote the first month of the new law rollout reveals an unexpected pattern in several states a crush of people applying for an expansion to medicaid and a trickle of signups. in one report 9 out of 10 enrollees with medicaid not only an imbalances but great concern obama care will be a mere expansion of rohn element. >> david web you were just telling me that in the break. >> choice is the issue here. what they have done with obama care is remove choice from the market. the market is americans in the same "washington post" article projects budget forecasters 9
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million people will sign up for medicaid in 2014. only 11 shoppers will shop private insurance plan. americans are making a choice. they say we are going to choose medicaid which will cost american people more so net in the economy whether you subsidize obama care you are taking money out of the system and redistributing it into another one. choice is gone, sean. >> why is the choice removed? this is what obama wanted all of the time. the reason people are signing up for medicaid i will trickle off what david said they can't get on a crash healthcare.gov web site. people like free stuff. this president create add mentality government isme the solution. the president is a nominal figurehead he doesn't know what's going on in his country, he's a bystander, he is a liar. this healthcare law was written
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it carries his name. he sat up in boston two-days ago, you know what he said? is hey guys he still won't take accountability and apologize for the huge lie he told. guys the reason why your healthcare plan is getting canceled to the tune of a million by the end of december is because it was substandard. he said you can sthop around an get a better deal. we heard from the young lady on the front row better deal means more healthcare coverage than what i need and at a higher price to pay for the people we are dumping into -- this is all by design like katie said. individuals have be to canceled and pushed out of -- i am an individual. i will be dumped out to -- >> this idea the president doesn't know goes far beyond health insurance. if you google the term what obama didn't know you come up with dozens of headlines covering the irs on could be serve tive groups, covering nsa, all types of issues. he's trying to take him is self
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out of leadership. >> i want to go to rick unger. you heard from natalie and katherine. there are untimillions of those americans. why do you justify this? >> why do you justify not digging further. we watched a woman -- am i asking about another horror story? natalie is 29 years old and helps put 14-year-olds to sleep. >> i would like to sit down with natalie and get on the exchange. you know what else natalie you didn't mention -- >> i am on it. that's not what she choose. >> she doesn't want it. >> you can buy a policy off the exchange. have you checked that out? >> this is the point. you are sitting there and the president sat there and democrats sat there over and over again saying you have to do this, we don't care about your choice. you are making people pay more
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now you are saying come to a system that is broken. >> it's not fair. >> it's off the exchange. >> into tnatalie speak for your. >> i love the insurer i have. love them. people don't love their insurance. i love my insurance. i love my doctors. my lifetime limit. my out of pocket maximum. >> what was your lifetime limits on the policy. >> i believe it was 300,000 dollars. and i -- >> she liked the plan. >> my insurer according to what they told me and what i saw on the web site my insurer no longer provide plans that are not aca compliant. i don't have a choice -- i could go to someone else. i don't want to go to another insurer. i want to stay with my insurer. i don't care about my out of pocket. i don't care what the maximum was. >> you are a liberal you think you know better for her.
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>> mlet me make the point. you go to buy a car daybreak -- -- if you go to buy a car and you don't pick up the hood. you buy the car and then you get in the car to start it doesn't start. you know why? there was no engine under the hood are you going to have a problem with that? let me finish. (talking over one another) >> whoa, whoa. you mean like obama says if you like your plan you can keep your plan. he's stelg us a plan. if you like this car you can buy this car it doesn't have an engine. >> it doesn't matter if you like her plan or if i like her plan or president obama likes her plan. what matters is she liked her plan. she was promised that she could keep her plan. she was promised she could keep it it's taken away. now she is paying a consequence for something that was a promise
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unkept. >> government, regardless of what it is, cannot create a marketplace. it cannot create a market. therefore, by forced design or unintended consequences you are forcing americans to make choices when they have the right to make good choices. >> you mentioned that the federal register and the regulations that came out of there that was june 17th, 2010. >> i got that from your article. >> it was actually forbes.com. five days later barack obama came out and he did a speech. he talked about those regulations. that came from labor, treasury and hhs. in his speech he began saying by the way i don't want these insurance companies blaming obama care in case their premiums go up. he was getting ready for this. he wanted to make sure he could blame the insurance companies. >> average family per year
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devastating for the left. >> it is one of many broken promises. you have increased costs in 40 states. these are premium increases for some people they will be over 100 percent. millions of people are going to be impacted one way or another. by the cost increase. every american is going to be negative little impacted i hope that the american people wake up and get behind the movement to get rid of this>> it is not just the cost it is the quality of care we are talking about. in the state of new hampshire this one provider anthem only provide coverage at 14 of the 26 hospitals there. what happens to the people who want to use the other two hospitals. this is a quality of care issue not just a cost issue. >> you are in virginia, right? >> i am in virginia running for congress there. >> his numbers are back because of obama care. >> because of young people suffering because of this law.
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preem ups 20 percent if you are a recent grad 22 percent. we have to de p fend young americans. what is happening we are undin great depression now. we have to stand up. >> how old are you? >> i am 24. >> i am 25. i want to paint a picture for people. >> i am 51. >> a young person in your 20's you have high unemployment, kids are moving back in with their parents. they can't afford their bills unless your parents pay for everybody which isn't the large majority of young people. you don't have the same hopeful attitude our parents have. that's a lot to deal with. our young generations are going to pay $95 penalty fee rather than pay for the insurance. >> you are a great political fundraiser. what impact will it have on 2013. i think the rate shock and impact of policies and the
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president repeatedly promising something that isn't true you cross the line here. >> it will be a big opportunity to raise money for republicans number one because of this flub yo up. i think number two you will have people shift over to the gop. once they thought we were whacko birds and nuts i think you will see a lot of people that realize it doesn't work. >> they are heading that way but the republicans have no -- (talking over one another) >> the heritage foundation numbers don't take into account the subsidies which are half of those who don't have insurance they qualify for. the other thing is senator eldamoto the other thing i agree with and don't sur rise he's the only republican i my entire life. one of the things he said is prep
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republicans need to be a part of the solution. why did it take three and a half years for them to get engaged in it? >> doug, did you see the car vel greenburgh poll today? devastating impact on democrats in their districts far greater than republicans. >> that is correct. the republican ratings in wall street journal poll highest negatives in history. >> that's is the point, too. if there was a real republican party the president would be -- (indiscernible). >> we need to stop saying this. the plan needs to be fixed. this is rolling out exactly the way liberals wanted it to roll out. it is going to fail and the big government is going to swoop in and saver us all from the evil. it will be medicaid. it will be universal medicaid. >> how many agree with that? i agree with it, too. we played it earlier this week. he even said even canada didn't
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welcome back to "hannity." >> welcome back to "hannity." when it comes to politics i respect you a lot. i spent an hour on my radio show laying out the case. we are going to look back on the month of october 2013 as the month that most defined the owe combam ma preside-- obama presi.
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lack of honesty, people don't trust him, broken promises, saying one thing repeatedly he knew wasn't true. >> i think it diminish by the day. we have two big federal programs we had medicare which took care of the elderly and medicaid which took care of the poor. medicare will be more expensive for seniors. medicaid is going to be over burdened by all of these people jumping into it in which doctors and hospitals lose money on medicaid so you have to break the two federal systems. it hurts democrats medicaid obviously they are more geared toward the poor americans who need the help. senior citizens are going to be furious. >> young people? >> this is my issue. i admit there are flaws in this obama care. we need to give our president more credit.
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our president didn't intend to be a liar it was flawed. we have to look at what the intent of obama care was it was not to deceive the american people it was to try to correct an overall problem with americans. >> to lie is not to deceive. this is benign stupidity. >> we are focusing on the wrong issue. >> four pen nobodying yos in the "washington post". >> senator, sir? is>> let me give you the political fix. number one -- >> you are the only one that has not partnered with anybody. >> i would like to move over here. hey, honey. are you are you, babe? is>> i will write you a note. >> please. >> ted cruz, a whacko. >> no, he is not. >> very bright, very smart but so political that if he had
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really used that great intelligence i would have warned and said these are the pitfalls. you could have spelled out the pitfalls. you could have spelled out the pitfalls of what would take place while young people why ko come in how the system couldn't support itself. let me finish. >> step aside. don't shut down the government. you would have had people fixing, looking at this and obama and the program would have been a much worse political shape. it is still going to attract attention and people are now for the first time saying my god i didn't know my premiums going up. i didn't know. having said that -- let me conclude. no filibuster here. >> oh, no. go ahead. i know. >> i had a pretty long one
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myself 13 hours. let me conclude by saying this. it will be very gift to fix. and i think that you are going to see the medicaid expansion that we have talked about, huge. i think you are going to continue to see the average american is going to pay whether you are in a big company plan or a small individual plan much more and you are going to get less. >> let me go with katie. i think cruz ran mike lee helped this. nobody remembers the government shut down. everybody in america will remember this debacle of a web site and disastrous rollout. >> ted cruz is the only one who went to washington and did exactly what he said he was going to do which is fight against obama care. i stayed up to watch the filibuster. for 20 plus hours he laid out all of the problems told the
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stories laid out all of the details how much it would cost, who it would effect young people would not only come into the system but they are responsible for paying for it in the end whether it is now or later. >> how many think ted cruz helped? i think he did. >> quick before you take your poll. >> if he had not worked and got my republican friends to shut down the government he would have been -- (talking over one another) >> we will take a break. we will come back. more thoughts from our quiet audience after the break. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped sta over 1 million businesses.
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time forlo >> welcome back to "hannity." time for closing thoughts. >> as a liberal i want to say i think the president has a credibility issue right now. i think his speech in boston was a perfect time to come out -- if you would let me speak. that was a perfect time to own it and say you know what this thing has gone awry. i should ha he should have. that is a separate issue. >> the president has never owned any mistake he has made in the entire administration. fast and furious, benghazi. irs targeting. i want to go back to what senator demato says. i admire ted cruz and mike lee. they are trying to fight against this. where the republicans failed and got off track they focused on defunding obama care rare than pointing out delaying the individual mandate which the president oh he can get. >> go ahead real quick. >> it doesn't matter.
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listen. i think everyone agrees this is a flawed law but now it is time to not only recognize it go back to the table repeal it and put in common sense insurance reform. it would be great if we were having this -- >> if we were having a discussion and the republican party had a plan that was sitting ohhen a web site that, woulded wouldn't it be a great discussion? if they dropped t-- they droppe the ball after hillary care they cannot drop the ball again. get on it. you have good ideas. >> should the plan be healthcare sie savings accounts? >> there needs to be a plan. >> you fix it use free market principles allow cross border insurance with health savings accounts. multiple approach. >> in the meantime advice to protect yourself. if you are a baby boomer line up your doctors now even if you are
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healthy now an internist and cardiologist. if you wait until you are 65 and go on medicare you will not find a doctor willing to take you on as a new patient. if you are going to the hospital, you know it, cobble together enough money for a private duty nurse the first night because the hospitals are already laying off the nurses. you are going to find too little care and wait too long for healthcare. that's important advice. >> you held your own with some of the best and brightest professionals in the world of pundits story. we invited you to our guest to tell a story you are 29 losing coverage you are paying more. what's your final thought? >> i think that it makes me feel like i can either work hard and live a mediocre life to someone like me who is not a politician it can't get fixed. >> you mad you can't keep your
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plan? >> that makes me furious what makes me more upset is the whole problem. >> thank you for coming. the ti left this evening. we will see you back here monday. i apologize. i am accountable. >> will kathleen sebelius be fired because of the obama care web site? i say who cares. the next bureaucrat will chase the fact. central plan produces failure like this car. it's hard to drive. it spews pollution. that's what we get with obseram care. >> now the oib administratid -- administration is some will have to pay double digit increases. >> halloween they gave us something that we should be scared of obama care. obama scare. that's our show

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